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  • 9mm for deer.

    Posted by internationalcut2610 on August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I know this isn’t generally a good idea. Curious how the community at large would feel about using 9mm out of a Ruger PC charger (6.5″ barrel) with buffalo bore outdoorsman rounds(147 gr +p hard cast). I’d be only taking shots from 10-20 yards.

    I don’t need to do this – I have a deer rifle. I just kind of want to try this gun for hunting, especially since I just got a can for it. Both the cartridge and suppressed hunting are legal in my state, but I’m torn on whether it’s just too irresponsible.

    I want to say I’d only take a perfect shot but we all know how there is no guaranteed perfect shot placement.

    internationalcut2610 replied 1 week, 5 days ago 2 Members · 21 Replies
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  • ciunnc

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    Why take the chance man, you are killing something , at least let it be a quick and as painless as possible.. it deserve at least that much respect. If as a last ditch defensive action you shoot it with whatever you got..but if you have a choice then use the better choice.

  • SirachaHoney

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    You could regret it, especially when on a blood trail that lasts a mile. Shoot placement is everything, im sure its doable but im also sure their is a reason why people dont shoot a deer with such a small round.

  • HalfdanrRauthu

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    That specific Buffalo Bore round is a good round (I carry it in a G19 as my field pistol), but I’d be concerned about it passing through without dumping too much energy into the animal. I’ve damaged pistol rated steel targets with it. That hardcast bullet May not stop unless you’re going for a through the shoulder blade shot. If you decide to do this, a 147gr expanding bullet May be a better choice.

  • AceKicker86

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    im experienced and decided to try using my 44 special my dad gave me when i was a kid. shot a buck at 7 yards and dropped it in its tracks

  • TheKHF

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I’ve killed a couple deer with Hornady 124 grain xtp +p’s out of a glock 17. Keep it close and make good shot placement and it’ll be fine. All wete 1 shot and down within 50-75 yards.

  • Rad10Ka0s

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I don’t love the idea. But, here in the midwest we have funny rules about rifle cartridges for hunting. I have a friend that uses .357 in a lever gun. He does fine.

  • FerretFace80

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I don’t know, man. 9mm (pretty much any pistol round for that matter) is not great at killing large mammals. That said, the ethics are highly individualized. I’d try it on smaller game first. This will not only give you first hand knowledge of the effectiveness of the round (provided you take special note during skinning), but also give you experience hunting with the new platform. Use that data to make your decision.

  • Ok-Deer1539

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    Never use hard cast rounds for hunting. They don’t expand well. And don’t use 9mm for hunting, that’s just being an asshat.

  • CucumberFly-

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I’d use a hollow point and yes it will work.

  • Krystian3

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    The ballistics math checks out… a 9mm +p at 10-20 yards is gonna give you more power factor than a 223 at 100 yards thanks to the larger boost size and weight. So yea it’ll drop a deer, especially since pistol ammo out of a longer rifle gets a 100-200 fps boost.

    The big issue for you is actually gonna be accuracy. 9mm is not made to be accurate, so you’ll be shooting some larger groups. On top of that the bullet drop on any round going under 1300fps starts to get pretty extreme. So at the range it’d be easy, but with a deer in the woods you gotta be able to estimate distance and account for bigger drop just like you would when you’re hunting with a subsonic rifle round.

  • FrivolousFred

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    As someone who’s wounded a deer with an appropriate round (50 cal muzzleloader), it’s not worth it man. I hope the deer I shot lived but it still haunts me that I could have maybe done something different and missed or got an instant kill shot. Maybe I did everything right and it was fluke but I still regret taking the shot. I spent 5 hours looking for it 2 of it in the dark then came back next morning and couldn’t find it.

    I hope that never happens to you but one part of that equation is super easy… use a round that has the power to kill with ease. Why use the 9 when you already have a better option?

  • pehrs

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    9×19 is just barely above the minimum power level legally required for small deer (like Roe deer) and underpowered to the point where it is illegal to use on Red deer and Fallow deer in our regulations.

    Also, we have a general duty to the game to use the best tools available to us and try to minimize suffering. Using an unsuitable rifle is a breach of that duty.

  • Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

    Guest
    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I can’t speak to that particular round, but due to an unusual mix of circumstances I ended up dropping one deer at my feet and another at about 60 yards with 9mm Hornady Critical Defense from a pistol. I shouldn’t have taken that second shot but it worked out.

    I’d try to find some ballistics gel tests of that round, the key question is “does it expand fast enough?”

  • Fragrant_Ad_1506

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    I wouldn’t use hard cast. I’d expect that to perform like an extra hard fmj. You would probably just want to treat it like bow hunting, don’t count on the round going through the front shoulder.

  • SolitudeNH

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    August 6, 2022 at 10:29 am

    If you’re just itching to use your new gun and can on something other then paper and steel (and trust me I get that), go small game hunting with it, coons, foxes, something more appropriately sized for 9mm. Could you take larger game with it? Yeah, probably. Is there a much higher chance of unethical, even if unintentionally so, shots? Yes absolutely.

    I totally get the urge to use in a real way a new setup, but rushing to do so on something that might not drop immediately or shortly after impact I feel is irresponsible. It’s our duties as hunters to be as ethical as possible, it’s the right thing to do AND keeps the anti-hunting people in the wrong and us in the right. Remember your hunting a large animal, it breaths and feels and emotes, just like us. I grew up on a farm, I’ve been eating animals I’ve raised my whole life, so I grew up respecting the odd duality of loving an animal, but still being the one to kill and eat it. That mindset carried over when I started hunting, and I was thrilled to see the vast majority of the hunting population, despite background, felt the same way. The thrill is in the hunt, the success, and the reward after, not the enjoyment of death.

    Absolutely take your sweet setup out, get some nice pelts and meat off small game. Use em to make a sweet hat to wear when you take that deer rifle out for a buck!

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