MemberJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
long time lurker first time poster yadda yadda yadda. I”m a writer who comes from a country with little legal access to firearms and as such have a limited practical knowledge of the nuances of gun ownership and operation. For that now, reddit I turn to you with an important aspect of what I’m currently working on.
I’m writing a kinda reverse Mexican stand-off scene wherein one character[A] threatens to commit suicide if another character [B] kills a third character [C].
I want [A] to be talked out of suicide by [B] by revealing that the gun [A] is using is more than likely not going to kill him in one shot. [A] has medical training so assuming both that [A] has witnessed failed suicide attempts by firearms AND would know generally where to aim.
So what gun is [A] holding? with what ammo?
I imagine a 22 with a hallow point would get it done in one shot- a 22 with any ammo would have to be reliable enough behind the back of the ear I would think? so what does that leave me with? a derringer? Vintage pistols? could an older 22 with maybe rust damage or I dunno sub-par ammunition fit here? does the perfect combination of gun and ammo I am asking for even exist? if it doesn’t I can make it work as long as death won’t be instant but obviously would just prefer it if [B] used an encyclopedic knowledge of firearms to triumph in this scene.
So I figured where else to attain this encyclopedic knowledge than here. Any help is much appreciated
wetcigarbodyGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
Any gun can kill if you’re talking about a gunshot to the head as a way of committing suicide, actors even have died using blanks.
DrocelotGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
It’s like writers never think about their intended audience, just say it’s a weak old ammo that is underpowered and no one will know the difference.
The more technical jargon you try to ham into it will only serve to confuse or mis-inform those already uneducated on the subject.
Edit: also it is “hollow” point because the tip of the bullet is an open cavity, hallow means sacred or holy like a cemetery or inside of a church.
ureathrafranklin1GuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
Just a word about this, head shot suicides often go wrong even with powerful calibers because people place the gun under their chin and pretty much just blow off their face and maybe a few sections of the frontal lobe, which some can live without. I’ve heard of this happening with a .270 and 7.62×39. Of course any caliber can be deadly, but I would think 22 would have the best chance of maiming you/giving you permanent brain damage if It didn’t kill you.
Rascal1371GuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
A well placed shot to the head with any firearm is going to be instant death.
As others have indicated, failed suicide attempts are usually because the person doesn’t actually aim the gun at their brain. They put it under the chin pointing straight up or hold it up to their temple at angle facing forward instead of perpendicular.
There are bad self-defense / combat calibers, but there are no bad suicide calibers.
A suppressed .22 pistol is considered an assassin’s gun (as featured in the movie “Hitman”) because a head shot from close range is always going to do the job.
The example you are looking for – a gun/caliber combination that will likely wound but not kill – doesn’t exist. Even the possibility of an old/dirty/rusty gun that might not work – doesn’t yield the result you are looking for. The gun is either going to fire (instant death assuming proper aim) or it’s not (nothing happens).
Here’s a slightly different twist on your concept. A knows nothing about guns, but B is an expert. A is aware of B’s expertise, and B is aware of A’s ignorance. So B feeds A a line of BS – something like how that gun has so much carbon built up in the barrel that it is more likely to blow up in A’s hand than actually fire, and even if the bullet does make it out of the barrel it won’t have enough velocity to penetrate far enough to kill, so the most likely result is agonizing pain and permanent disability / disfigurement, but not death. Believing B knows what he’s talking about, A gives up and puts down the gun. B then picks it up, turns, and shoots C in the head, killing C instantly.
Traditional_Matter65GuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
A pellet gun.
nedyt7GuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
ilikerelishGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
I would start off by saying that at that close of range that the .22lr is completely the wrong choice. Assassins actually prefer the .22 for close work because of low recoil, low sound, and the propensity for the bullet to spend most of its energy penetrating the skull and scrambling the brain as it bounces around unable to exit the skull, or so it has been said.
There are very few guns that wouldn’t kill or at least maim the target at suicide range. I think you would have to look into antique rounds, and potentially small to medium caliber rimfires that haven’t been made in 100 or more years to even come close. That group could be expanded a bit if you don’t mind the target being impaired after the shot, a sort of Regarding Henry (Harrison Ford movie) situation where the victim is still functional but severely fucked up.
I suppose what you could do is go too powerful, with bad placement. Like a .44 magnum with a non expanding bullet Lead cast 300gr hunting round, and maybe he does the through the side technique but places the barrel wrong such that it would blow through the jaw on both sides missing anything vital. Or the ever popular (From Fight Club) places the pistol in his mouth at the wrong angle so it just blows out the cheek and teeth.
If you are fixated on a straight gun wouldn’t work scenario, then I suppose that the gun might be found to have a broken firing pin. or the ammunition may have been old, and improperly stored causing the powder to cake, and not ignite, and/or the primer not to go off. Or it goes off, but hasn’t enough energy to leave the barrel. Or it does, with just enough force to cause a nasty bruise and a lot of pain.
Procks85GuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
.22 ratshot ?
non-number-nameGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
Maybe you can use a [non gun](http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Non_Guns) or a [blank-firing gun ](http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Blank_Fire_Only_Guns). Both look authentic at first glance, but don’t hold up to close inspection.
Don’t forget; even a blank [can kill](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum).
linearoneGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
Perhaps a 2 mm kolibri? Or alternatively maybe there could be an interesting scene where or an explanation where the guy put the wrong 22 caliber ammunition in the gun. For instance a 22 CB cap is not the same as a 22 short. It’s essentially a very small very light 22 caliber bullet basically firing with just a primer and no powder. You can shoot them inside your house for god’s sake. I shot one at a glass mirror one time and it didn’t break
Or perhaps you loaded 22 wax bullets into his gun and did not realize for whatever reason. Guys like to train in quick draw with wax loaded 22s. The wax will splatter on a mirror and show where the hit was
IrvxingGuestJune 12, 2021 at 12:50 am
Glock 44 are known to jam and they’re. 22lr