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  • I am extremely confused regarding the proposed regulations from the ATF.

     Logan updated 11 months, 1 week ago 2 Members · 20 Posts
  • Logan

    Member
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    With the new regulations is my Ruger American Predator now an SBR? I just bought the thing in march and if so I have no clue what to do. I barely had the money to buy it and needed something to get me into the woods this fall so I can have some extra meat outside of the stuff from the grocery store. Does this regulation only apply to semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or AK variants or am I just completely missing something here?

  • pestilence

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    You are worried that your __conventionally stocked full length bolt action rifle__ might be considered an SBR under a proposed __pistol__ evaluation worksheet?

    Wew lad.

  • Riker557118

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    They made an American Predator pistol?

    Short answer:

    If your firearm has a brace, possibly.

    If your firearm is a rifle, no. Unless you’re barrel falls below 16″

  • pestilence

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    > Does this regulation only apply to semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 or AK variants or am I just completely missing something here?

    It doesn’t apply to rifles AT ALL. It applies to PISTOLS. Jesus Christ my fucking head hurts.

  • ardesofmiche

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    It’s just proposed, nothing has taken place. Is your American predator a pistol with a brace or is it a rifle with a 16”+ barrel?

  • Bubba-jones

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    In related news, PSA seems to be clearing out their braced lowers.

    $132 for a complete lower with milspec buffer and brace the ATF hates.

  • fidgetsatbonfire

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    If your barrel is over 16 inch this is not relevant to you currently.

    But if the ATF can hand wave one group of people into felons, they can do it to you later.

  • Hoplophilia

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    >is my Ruger American Predator now

    No. It’s only a proposed change so far. Assuming it gets enacted, simply send it through the “worksheet” and tally your score. If you’re below 4, then you’re one asshole agent’s opinion away from being a felon.

    Does that make it clearer?

  • stoop_guns

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    Isn’t that just your standard bolt action in a polymer stock? The proposed changes wouldn’t effect that at all.

  • Opinions_ArseHoles

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    To be fair to the poster, the ATF proposed rules & regulations changes are written in very obfuscated language. In layman’s terms, it’s completely legal jargon designed to confuse anyone what might want to post a comment on the rule.

    In simple terms, the brace rule is discriminatory.

    The “ghost gun” redefining what is a firearm is unconstitutional. Only Congress can write laws. Congress had defined in law, 1968 GCA, what composes a firearm. See page 9 for the proposed rule & reg. It’s a legal case. An 80% lower isn’t a firearm.

  • danngree

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    Ouch, my brain.

  • _pwny_

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    Toasting in epic bread

  • MisterNoisy

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    Well this made for a good bit of reading while I’m waiting for a haircut. 😆

  • Cetervm_censeo

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t know how that would be an SBR. The definition of an SBR does not specify whether it’s an auto loader or bolt/lever action. The new ATF regulations are basically directed at AR pistols, previously just like any other non NFA item you didn’t have to get a tax stamp or file with the federal government to get an AR pistol, now the ATF wants to classify some AR pistols as rifles even though they technically don’t have stocks by determining whether the attached stabilizing brace makes it so that it’s a de facto shoulder fired weapon and therefore a rifle in their eyes. Your rifle is a fully stocked rifle so the pistol brace thing doesn’t apply, unless the barrel is shorter than 16 inches in which case it is an SBR but that’s not a change that’s how the law has worked for 87 years.

  • Teddyturntup

    Guest
    June 14, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    No

    It applies to firearms with barrels under 16” as regulated by the national firearms act.

    You have a rifle, with a barrel not under 16” and therefore has nothing to do with the NFA

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